Prior to this, especially before the 1990s, career personnel with worker status could change their status, transition from workers to cadres, step into leadership positions, and even hold leadership positions in administrative organs. As long as the thrust is sufficient and appreciated by the leaders, even drivers and maintenance personnel have the opportunity to jump ship and get promoted. Such examples were more common in the past. But if you can't change jobs, the career workers will be nailed to their posts and will never turn over. This is the biggest drawback of the era of institution identity theory. This defect has affected generations.
After 2006, institutions ushered in the era of post management, no longer just identity management. If the personnel in the three positions of management, professional technology and ground handling of public institutions meet the requirements, they can be transferred to the corresponding positions through competitive recruitment and open selection. In other words, workers who meet the requirements also have the opportunity to transfer to management positions or professional and technical positions and enjoy corresponding treatment. However, when workers are transferred, their status as workers in personnel files will not change, so they cannot change jobs, be promoted to leadership positions, especially be members of the team, participate in official duties, or even become civil servants. Changing jobs can raise the wages of workers, which seems to be independent of status. In fact, due to the identity of workers, there are still many restrictions on their personal development, which is unfavorable to workers.
As I said before, workers can transfer jobs if they meet the requirements. Then, what conditions do workers need to transfer to management positions or professional and technical positions?
First, the basic conditions for logistics jobs to be transferred to management positions
Generally speaking, four conditions are required:
1. There are vacancies in management positions;
2. Have a college degree or above, and many colleges and universities above the municipal level require a bachelor's degree;
3. Engaged in logistics jobs for more than three years;
4, to obtain professional skills level 4, that is, intermediate level or above.
Second, the basic conditions for workers to transfer to professional and technical posts
Like transferring to a management position, there are four requirements:
1, there are job vacancies in professional and technical positions;
2. Have a bachelor degree or above (the county can be relaxed to junior college);
3. Obtain the title of the corresponding post;
4. The unit agrees to hire.
Among them, the fourth condition is the necessary and decisive factor for workers to transfer to management posts and professional and technical posts. Other conditions vary from place to place, subject to local conditions.
Institutions are divided into management posts, professional and technical posts and logistics posts. Management posts and professional and technical posts are cadres, while logistics posts are workers. Although cadres and workers in public institutions use career establishment, they often use it in mixed posts in practical work. Some logistics workers work directly in the office, and some even undertake management positions and professional and technical positions for a long time. However, the symbol of workers' identity will not change because of the change of posts, nor will it change because of the specific reality of work and functions.
Can workers and staff of public institutions engage in management positions or professional and technical positions? At the beginning of this century and the last century, workers can take up management positions by transferring, hiring or acting as cadres, and can be promoted and appointed to the deputy department level or above, or manage leadership positions above level 8. The identity of cadres and workers is the product of the planned economy era. At first, the difference was not very big. It is well known that workers can serve as leading cadres and even be promoted to the national level. However, with the continuous reform of the cadre management system, the identity difference between workers and cadres is getting bigger and bigger. Later, workers could only serve as leading cadres by changing jobs or hiring. By the mid-1990s, the organization department and the human resources and social departments had cleared and standardized the leadership positions of workers by changing jobs and hiring. Except for cadres who have been promoted to deputy division level or above, the impact is not great. Workers-level cadres are no longer allowed to be promoted, and they are also required to clean up their positions as civil servants and not to hold real posts in party and government organs. Even workers who have served as leading cadres are not allowed to participate in public service or register as civil servants.
Workers can't hold leadership positions in party and government organs, so can they continue to hold or engage in management positions and professional and technical positions in institutions? The answer is yes. The system reform of public institutions will fully implement the "full employment system" management. This reform completely broke the status difference between cadres and workers in the planned economy era. Heroes no longer talk about their origins, but define their identities by their positions. No matter whether you were a cadre or a worker in the past, after the implementation of the full employment system, the management positions were contested by managers, and the professional and technical positions were contested by professional and technical personnel. Even if they used to be workers, they still enjoy the treatment of cadres and retire as cadres. This system reform will be the trend of institution reform and the main measure to solve the unreasonable positioning of cadres and workers. In the future, after the completion of the reform task of public institutions, there will be no difference between the identities of cadres and workers.
The reform of "full employment system" in public institutions has been piloted for many years, but the progress is slow and unbalanced among regions and industries. There are not many regions and industries that implement the reform of full employment system in public institutions. The most typical example is the system of "county-managed school employment" for primary and secondary school teachers in many areas, but this policy has little impact on workers. Another obvious implementation is the "public election" system of management positions in public institutions. In-service personnel, managers who meet the requirements can be selected for posts by competition, regardless of the differences in the status of cadres and workers. After the competition is successful, you can enjoy the corresponding status treatment. Unfortunately, the number of open elections is too small and the frequency of holding them is not high.
In a word, the reform of "full employment system" in public institutions is an effective measure to solve the identity differences between cadres and workers, and it is also the future development direction of the reform of public institutions in the future. However, this work needs to be further developed, covering all aspects, and we can look forward to it if necessary.
Hello, I am a fish in the system, in charge of party building and cadre selection and appointment. I think my answer to your question should be useful to you.
Before answering the question whether the post of industrial logistics can be transformed into a professional and technical post or a management post, I think you should first understand the difference between the three.
Career establishment and civil service establishment are different. The establishment of civil servants is an administrative establishment under the unified management of the party and the state, which is managed by the competent department of civil servants. Now all the functions of civil servant management are integrated, and can't be managed by organizations at all levels. Business establishment is the establishment of management at all levels, departments and localities. The management channels between different levels are different and cannot be mixed. County-level career establishment and municipal career establishment cannot be equated. At the same time, according to the setting of career posts, it can be divided into management posts, professional and technical posts and logistics posts. Management positions are engaged in management work, professional and technical positions generally have corresponding professional and technical qualification certificates and qualifications, and logistics positions are generally logistics support work, such as drivers and typists.
It can be seen from the difference between the above positions that logistics posts cannot be transferred to professional and technical posts (of course, the policies of different provinces are different), but at present, it has not been heard that logistics posts can be transferred to management posts and professional and technical posts. The posts of public workers are similar to those of administrative workers. The post of administrative worker is generally needed for demobilization and resettlement, and the occupation is similar. The post of career worker does not require high academic qualifications. Therefore, in the selection and appointment of cadres, the positions of administrative workers and public workers can not meet the conditions for promotion and use, and there is no relevant policy support for job transfer. Therefore, the staff positions of public institutions generally cannot hold leadership positions unless they take the civil service examination or the examination of public institutions.
For example, it usually takes three years as a clerk or three years as a ninth-level manager of a public institution to promote a township-level deputy. In other words, the nine-level management of public institutions corresponds to civil servants. The deputy at the township level corresponds to management level 8, and the chief at the township level corresponds to management level 7. The logistics position cannot correspond to the corresponding management level. At present, some provinces have liberalized their policies, and professional and technical personnel can be promoted to management positions after serving in the corresponding positions for a certain number of years. Workers will basically not be included in the promotion motion plan.
Therefore, if you are a career planner, you should take a leadership position in combination with local policies, but in principle you need to change your identity through unified recruitment! I hope my answer is useful to you!
Willing to answer workplace questions: workers and cadres in public institutions are generally unable to transfer to management or professional and technical positions. There are certain conditions for job-hopping under special circumstances. Let me explain it from three aspects. I. Job classification of public institutions:
Institutions are divided into three categories according to post settings, namely management posts, professional and technical posts and logistics posts. Management position: generally engaged in the management of public institutions; Professional and technical posts: generally speaking, there are corresponding professional and technical titles, such as engineers and accountants. Logistics post: generally refers to logistics support work, such as typists and drivers.
Affected by the establishment, logistics posts are generally not included in the scope of management posts, and can only be evaluated in turn according to the corresponding junior workers, intermediate workers, senior workers and technicians.
Second, the source of workers.
In recent years, the most common source of service personnel is the transfer of military soldiers. From the beginning, it can be directly allocated by the Civil Affairs Bureau and the Human Resources and Social Security Bureau, and finally it can only enter the service post through assessment. Of course, there are also some business workers and government workers left over from other historical channels.
Third, logistics posts are the product of history.
In the era of planned economy, the identity of cadres and workers is not much different, but with the continuous reform of cadre management system, the identity of workers and cadres is getting bigger and bigger. From the beginning, workers could be promoted, appointed and transferred, and in the 1990s, the organization department and the people's social system cleaned up the ways of workers' transfer and employment, and basically no longer allowed workers to transfer their jobs and be promoted within their establishment.
Fourth, the future of workers.
Due to the influence of the establishment, the promotion of workers is restricted. Although many workers are excellent, especially at the grassroots level, they have taken on quite a lot of chores, but because of the establishment reasons, they may not be able to change their original posts for the rest of their lives. There are still many such people in government agencies and institutions.
Although it seems that workers will be more restricted than civil servants and career planners in the future, you should consider that workers still have their own job stability, which is also an advantage. In addition, the technician's salary is relatively high, not lower than that of the career establishment personnel, and it is also better to evaluate and the requirements are not so high.
Summary: The only way to solve this problem is to take an examination of civil servants or institutions. In the past, the organization department held an open selection examination for leading cadres, and some post workers could participate.
I hope my answer will be useful to you.
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Institutions are divided into three categories, namely service posts, technical posts and management posts. But the benefits are different. Let me give you a detailed analysis.
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If we can turn to the early stage, there will be a big gap in only one treatment. It is recommended to transfer to a professional and technical post. For other specific requirements, please consult the management section of human resources and social security bureau at the same level.
According to the current "Trial Measures for the Management of Post Setting in Public Institutions", posts in public institutions are divided into three categories, namely management posts, professional and technical posts and ground-working skills posts.
According to the different situations of each unit, the human and social departments take social functions, responsibilities and tasks, work needs and personnel structure characteristics as the main reference, set the proportion of various post structures, and set control targets among different levels within various posts.
First, the main responsibilities of the three positions in public institutions
Management post refers to the work that undertakes leadership responsibilities or management tasks. The establishment of management posts should meet the needs of enhancing the operating efficiency of the unit, improving work efficiency and improving management level.
Professional and technical posts refer to posts that are engaged in professional and technical work and have corresponding professional and technical level and ability requirements. The establishment of professional and technical posts should conform to the laws and characteristics of professional and technical work, and meet the needs of developing social welfare undertakings and improving professional level.
Logistics skill post refers to the post that undertakes skills operation and maintenance, logistics support and service responsibilities. The setting of ground service skill posts shall meet the requirements of improving operation and maintenance skills and service level, and meet the actual needs of the business work of the unit.
It should be noted that ground skill posts include technical posts and ordinary posts, in which technical posts are divided into five grades: senior technician, technician, senior worker, intermediate worker and junior worker, and ordinary posts are not graded.
Second, can a career worker change jobs?
Fortunately, after the implementation of post management, the identity boundaries of the three posts have been broken. Under certain conditions, job transfer is completely allowed, but it must meet the basic conditions stipulated in the post.
According to the regulations, in principle, the ground staff will be organized once a year by institutions or competent departments to transfer to management posts and professional and technical posts, and relevant plans will be divided according to their functions and reported to the Human Resources Department for filing in advance.
Those employed in management positions must have a college degree or above; Employed to professional and technical positions, must have the corresponding professional and technical qualifications; Professional and technical posts subject to access control of professional qualifications shall meet the corresponding access control requirements.
According to the spirit of "Opinions on Handling the Salary and Treatment of Personnel on Trial Appointment System in Institutions" (No.63 [2004] issued by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology), personnel who are employed by logistics positions to professional and technical or management positions must have worked in professional and technical or management positions for 65,438+00 years and retired (resigned) at their posts before they can retire (resigned) according to the conditions stipulated by the state for their positions and enjoy corresponding retirement benefits. For workers who are less than 10 years away from the retirement age stipulated by the state, in principle, they will no longer participate in the competition for job transfer.
Thirdly, the procedure of workers' job transfer.
There is no obstacle for workers to change jobs at the national policy level, and the key depends on how the relevant local management departments operate. Job transfer procedures usually include the following steps:
1. announce the plan. According to the needs of the work, the post and its responsibilities, employment conditions, employment procedures and other matters are announced through meetings or other forms.
2. Open registration. Organize public registration and conduct qualification examination for candidates. The list of qualified personnel shall be publicized in the unit.
3. Competitive employment inspection. Competition procedures generally include written examination, interview, democratic evaluation or expert evaluation. If the number of candidates is small, the procedure can be simplified. According to the competition situation, select the best candidates for inspection, inspect the candidates, focus on understanding their ability and political integrity and work performance, and form inspection materials. According to the investigation, the leading group of the unit collectively studied and determined the personnel to be hired.
4. publicity. Publicize the personnel to be hired within a certain range.
5. After employment. If there is no objection to the publicity, the unit shall report to the competent department for examination and approval according to the procedures, and handle the relevant procedures such as changing the employment contract, salary and insurance after the examination and approval of the human resources department at the same level according to the division of functions.
It is the first time to hire ground crew from ground crew to management position. In principle, they should be employed in positions below Grade 8 (inclusive). Those who employ management positions above Grade 8 shall be put on record in accordance with the cadre and personnel management authority before going through the post employment confirmation procedures, and shall not be directly employed as the main person in charge of the unit.
Institutions are divided into management positions, professional and technical positions and logistics positions. Compared with the other two types of posts, the income and treatment of logistics post personnel are relatively low. In some institutions with good benefits, the performance salary of logistics posts is far from that of management posts and professional and technical posts. To this end, many staff in public institutions want to transfer to management positions or professional and technical positions, which is also a question that staff often ask, mainly focusing on "Can I transfer to management positions or professional and technical positions?" How to turn? "
1. Can the ground crew change jobs?
1 Notice of the Central Organization Department and the Ministry of Personnel on Printing and Distributing the Opinions on Accelerating the Reform of Personnel System in Institutions (No.78 [2000] of the Central Organization Department) requires that the personnel reform of institutions should "establish a set of specific management systems suitable for the characteristics of various institutions such as science, education, culture and health, and meet the requirements of professional and technical personnel, managers and workers; Form an employment mechanism in which people can enter and leave, their positions can be promoted and dismissed, their treatment can be promoted and dismissed, outstanding talents stand out, and they are full of vitality and vitality, so as to realize the legalization and scientificity of personnel management in public institutions. " .
2. The Ministry of Personnel's Notice on Printing and Distributing Opinions on Issues Related to the Appointment System of Personnel in Trial Institutions (for Trial Implementation) stipulates: "In principle, the salary stipulated by the state shall be re-determined according to the level of newly hired positions; For those who have been employed by ground personnel in professional and technical or management positions, those who have worked in professional and technical positions or management positions for 10 years (those who have been employed before the publication of this opinion can be counted continuously) and retired (retired) on their posts can retire (retired) according to the conditions stipulated by the country where they are employed and enjoy the corresponding retirement (retirement) treatment. " .
3, the provisions of the local government
(1) "Trial Measures for the Proportion Management of Post Structure in Public Institutions in Gansu Province" (Gan Renfa [2008] No.28) and other supporting documents for post setting management in five public institutions have clarified the relevant policies for staff of public institutions to compete for posts. Among them, for those who are employed in management positions in the ground work skills positions, institutions should adhere to the principles of fairness, justice, openness and merit-based competition for posts in the case of vacancies at corresponding levels. Workers and technicians who meet the requirements of employment positions are employed to management positions for the first time, and may not be directly employed to the leading positions of units and the chief positions of internal organs. The highest employable posts are as follows: level 10 staff posts can employ level 5 logistics skills posts, level 9 staff posts can employ level 4 logistics skills posts, level 8 staff posts can employ level 3 logistics skills posts, level 7 staff posts can employ level 1 and level 2 logistics skills posts, and a few particularly outstanding personnel and logistics service-oriented institutions can be appropriately relaxed.
(2) Notice on Printing and Distributing the Trial Measures for Dynamic Adjustment of Post Management in Institutions in Hunan Province (Hunan People's Social Development [2012] No.55) stipulates that "when workers and technicians are employed in management positions, they shall be selected by competitive recruitment in principle: they shall not be directly employed to the leading positions of the unit or the full-time positions of internal institutions for the first time, and they must go through the transfer procedures at the human resources and social security departments of the government. The highest positions that can be employed for the first time are: five-level logistics skills can be employed to ten-level staff positions, four-level logistics skills can be employed to nine-level staff positions, three-level logistics skills can be employed to eight-level staff positions, and first-and second-level logistics skills can be employed to seven-level staff positions, and a few particularly outstanding personnel can be appropriately relaxed. " .
(3) Tianjin Human Resources and Social Security Bureau's Notice on Properly Handling Issues Related to Post Setting in Public Institutions (No.64 issued by Tianjin Human Resources and Social Security Bureau [2065438+00]) stipulates: "In principle, those who are employed to management positions for the first time from logistics skills positions will be employed to nine management positions. If the work needs to be broken, it should be submitted for approval in accordance with the cadre personnel management authority. " .
(4) The Interim Provisions of Tianjin Municipality on Staff Competition for Posts (No.[20 12]65 issued by Tianjin Human Resources and Social Security Bureau) stipulates that those who are employed by skilled workers to management positions can be employed to management positions of Grade 6 and below, and meet the following basic conditions:
Six-level staff position: working in the first-level logistics skill position for more than 3 years; Seven-level staff positions: have worked in the first-level post of logistics skills, or have worked in the second-level post of logistics skills for more than 5 years; Eight-level staff positions: have worked in positions with logistics skills above level 2, or have worked in positions with logistics skills above level 3 for more than 5 years; Nine-level staff position: worked in a position with logistics skills above level 3, or worked in a position with logistics skills above level 4 for more than 5 years; Ten-level staff position: I have worked in a position with four or more logistics skills, or have worked in a position with five or more logistics skills for more than five years. Personnel competing for professional and technical positions should have the basic conditions for competing for positions. The basic qualifications of professional and technical posts shall be implemented in accordance with the relevant provisions on the evaluation and engagement of professional and technical posts. The conditions for professional and technical senior, intermediate and junior posts at all levels shall be set by institutions or their higher authorities according to the relevant regulations and job responsibilities. Those who compete for professional and technical posts with occupation qualification access control shall also have corresponding occupation qualification for access control.
Other areas also have relevant documents for workers to change jobs, which are not listed one by one.
Second, the conditions required for job transfer itself.
1. Requirements for transferring to management positions
Staff positions should generally have technical secondary school education or above, among which staff positions above Grade 6 should generally have college education or above, and staff positions above Grade 4 should generally have bachelor degree or above.
The basic qualifications of staff positions at all levels are:
(1) Level-3 and Level-5 staff positions must have worked in Level-4 and Level-6 staff positions for more than two years respectively;
(2) Level 4 and Level 6 staff positions must have worked in Level 5 and Level 7 staff positions for more than three years respectively;
(3) Grade 7 and Grade 8 staff positions must have worked in Grade 8 and Grade 9 staff positions for more than three years respectively.
2, turn professional and technical positions need to have the conditions
(1) The basic qualifications of professional and technical posts shall be implemented in accordance with the relevant provisions of the current evaluation and employment of professional and technical posts.
(2) The basic conditions of professional and technical posts subject to occupation qualification access control shall include the requirements of access control.
Three. The position to be transferred is vacant.
Institutions should be based on job vacancies, in accordance with job responsibilities and qualifications, that is to say, unit management positions or professional and technical positions must be available.
Fourth, the way to transfer jobs
Through internal competition, it is necessary for the unit to organize and implement internal competition procedures.
I'm Tu Tu, and I'm here to share my views. At present, institutions implement the post employment system, and technical posts, management posts and logistics posts can be adjusted with each other, but the identity of personnel remains unchanged. In other words, workers can be employed in management positions and professional and technical positions, but they are still workers.
First, the difference between three kinds of work
Technical post, management post and service post are three kinds of posts that coexist in institutions at present, and the promotion methods are different with different post salaries.
1, professional and technical posts, divided into senior (1-4), deputy senior (5-7), intermediate (8- 10) and junior (1-12). Pay different post salaries at different levels.
2. Management positions are divided into 1- 10 levels, which correspond to the provincial and ministerial level-clerk level respectively, and different levels pay salaries for different positions.
3. Ground positions are divided into ordinary workers and junior workers 1-5, and different levels pay different post salaries.
Second, the requirements for changing jobs
At present, after the implementation of the appointment system, different positions can be adjusted to each other. The requirements for changing posts are as follows
1, there are vacancies.
The first thing business workers do when they transfer to management or technical posts is that there are vacancies in management and technical posts in the unit. Without vacancies, it is impossible to transfer.
2. Have corresponding qualification certificates.
To transfer to a professional post, you need to have the qualification certificate of professional and technical personnel at the corresponding level.
3. The unit proposed to organize the personnel department for the record.
After the unit agrees to study, submit the materials and organize the personnel department to put on record.
Third, the benefits of job-hopping
So what are the advantages after job-hopping?
1, the promotion channels are more abundant.
At present, there is a single promotion channel for skilled workers. After being transferred to professional and technical positions and management positions, the relative promotion channels are more abundant, and the possibility of post promotion and salary increase is greater.
2. It has an impact on the retirement age.
For female employees, employees who have worked in management and professional technical posts for 10 years can retire according to the post regulations, that is to say, they can retire according to the age of female cadres.
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Institutions are divided into management posts, professional and technical posts and logistics posts. Management posts and professional and technical posts are cadres, while logistics posts are workers. Although cadres and workers in public institutions use career establishment, they often use it in mixed posts in practical work. Some logistics workers work directly in the office, and some even undertake management positions and professional and technical positions for a long time. However, the symbol of workers' identity will not change because of the change of posts, nor will it change because of the specific reality of work and functions.
Can workers and staff of public institutions engage in management positions or professional and technical positions? At the beginning of this century and the last century, workers can take up management positions by transferring, hiring or acting as cadres, and can be promoted and appointed to the deputy department level or above, or manage leadership positions above level 8. The identity of cadres and workers is the product of the planned economy era. At first, the difference was not very big. It is well known that workers can serve as leading cadres and even be promoted to the national level. However, with the continuous reform of the cadre management system, the identity difference between workers and cadres is getting bigger and bigger. Later, workers could only serve as leading cadres by changing jobs or hiring. By the mid-1990s, the organization department and the human resources and social departments had cleared and standardized the leadership positions of workers by changing jobs and hiring. Except for cadres who have been promoted to deputy division level or above, the impact is not great. Workers-level cadres are no longer allowed to be promoted, and they are also required to clean up their positions as civil servants and not to hold real posts in party and government organs. Even workers who have served as leading cadres are not allowed to participate in public service or register as civil servants.
I find it difficult, because diligence is directly different from management or professional knowledge, and directly different from my first degree. In my opinion, I can only complete my job transfer if I have made great contributions to related work or made outstanding contributions in a certain field. Personally, you have to consult the personnel department.