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The Internet of Cars (IoC) has experienced 11 years of development since it really started in China in 2009.
"In a sense, Telematics has gone from being a topic of whether or not it's coming true to realizing the initial stage, which is a very good status quo, which is that the industry itself is finally not a pseudo-proposition." Baidu Telematics Division General Manager Sultan in the 12th China Automotive Blue Book Forum issued such sentiments.
He believes that Telematics can be roughly divided into three generations today. The first generation is basically fuel cars, this stage of the user is not valued by manufacturers; the second generation is called the basic car networking, that is, just the past generation, the initial user to put down the phone, high frequency use of a function or product in the car, but this is only the body put down, the heart is not put down; the third generation is the current everyone in the beginning of the research and development, this is a high degree of ecological, as well as a high degree of streaming ecological, user-centric, to let them really put down the phone from the heart, to let them really put down the phone from the heart. Let them really put down the phone from the heart.
Car networking is a complex chain, the industry chain mainly includes terminal software and hardware providers, telecom operators, vehicle manufacturers, Internet vendors, third-party IT providers, industry application providers and industry customers, etc., involving chips, OS, voice, maps, cloud computing, AI Artificial Intelligence, big data, security, payment, 5G and V2X, unmanned and many other areas.
Understanding Telematics from a manufacturing perspective, the upper reaches of the industry chain include component suppliers, communication equipment providers, and automotive electronic system suppliers, etc., and the lower reaches are mainly vehicle manufacturers, including traditional car companies and Internet car companies.
In addition, the Telematics industry chain also includes a large number of service industry players, such as map and other software and data providers, communication service providers, in-vehicle software providers.
Over the past 11 years, Telematics technology has evolved in the direction of intelligence and network connectivity, and key technologies such as in-vehicle operating systems, new automotive electronics, in-vehicle communications, service platforms, and security have become research hotspots.
The in-vehicle screen and cell phone APP are the two most important carriers of Telematics, and the voice interaction mode brought by AI is changing the entrance of Telematics, and the vehicle command and service wake-up based on dialog, so that Telematics services can be called out during the driving process, and does not affect the normal driving.
This upgrading of the entrance is based on a large number of AI technologies and solution capabilities, such as speech recognition, semantic understanding, knowledge graph, and services and products behind AI technologies, such as cloud computing, maps, payments, e-commerce, and so on.
And none of these capabilities are the strengths of car companies and their traditional supply chain, whether car companies try to build a new Telematics system on their own and buy upgraded solutions from suppliers, the basic AI capabilities are still to be obtained from the cloud computing and AI giants.
While Internet giants dominate the current development of Telematics, it is still the car manufacturers that ultimately put Telematics into practice, while other related companies are more as partners of car manufacturers, assisting in accelerating the landing of Telematics.
So, Internet companies and OEMs have different focuses on Telematics, automotive companies are more concerned about safety, technical confidentiality, manufacturing costs, and the ability to realize; while Internet companies focus on rapid iteration, relying on the advantages of software to enhance the user experience, and hope that the car companies can be more open and cooperative.
On the afternoon of August 11, 2020, on the first day of the 12th China Automotive Blue Book Forum, domestic mainstream Telematics leaders held a roundtable discussion on "Welcoming the Next Telematics Era" under the auspices of Deloitte's China Automotive Industry Leadership Partner, Zhou Lingkun.
The panelists were Yilun Ying, Founder and Chairman of Perten Telematics; Chunhui Zhang, Vice President of Alibaba and Co-CEO of Zebra Networks; Tan Su, General Manager of Baidu Telematics; Ziyu Shen, CEO of Yicatong Technology; and Pei Shen, General Manager of Intelligent Mobility Strategy at Tencent.
Zhang Chunhui said, now we talk about Internet car, in fact, would prefer to say car Internet. You will find that from the PC Internet to the mobile Internet, the next era is called the automotive Internet.
Suthan believes that the next generation of the Internet of cars is coming, a lot of changes will take place, from the product to meet the needs of the user into a truly intelligent cockpit, its development mode will change a lot relative to the previous.
Suthan believes that the next generation of the Internet of cars is coming.
Ying Yilun believes that the next step in the car networking, there are now three pieces, one is autonomous driving, one is the whole vehicle architecture, and the entertainment piece. "If most of them can develop the electronic architecture, there is no need for the current suppliers, and the current suppliers can say goodbye."
Shen Ziyu revealed that they will get the full-stack voice and signal processing, including noise, all right, and be able to provide local natural semantics without cloud computing, so that the user's experience is guaranteed.
Shen Pei offered this perspective on the next generation of Telematics, "The phone is just a screen for me, while the car is a space for me, and there are a lot of things that can be imagined in this empty space. In this regard we can come together with car companies to explore".
The following is a transcript of the discussion, organized by Automotive Business Review and slightly abridged here.
Zhou Lingkun (Deloitte China Automotive Industry Leadership Partner): Mr. Jia Ke is very powerful, able to bring such a table of people in. I'll throw a question out first, and we'll all answer it. The first one is to introduce yourself first, and the second one please share the recent black technology that each of you is proud of. Let's start on my right hand side, Mr. Chunhui will start first.
Zhang Chunhui (vice president of Alibaba, co-CEO of Zebra Network): Just now, Mr. Yu Jingmin also said that in 2016, Alibaba and SAIC released the Internet car, which was an exploration of the future at that time. Today, we already feel that the Internet of cars has been popularized, so we have begun to explore the next generation of Internet of cars. Now we talk about Internet car, in fact, we would prefer to say that it is the Internet of the car. You will find from the PC Internet to the mobile Internet, the next era called the automotive Internet.
Recently we are ready to release Zebra 5, Zebra has been doing 5 years. In fact, we have begun to move from the traditional sense of the Internet of cars to the entire field of intelligent cockpit. Zebra 5 as an operating system empowers a lot of things, so that people can see more and more fun.
It just so happens that the last roundtable discussed navigation. We can do a conversational navigation on Zebra 5, you can chat and navigate at the same time, turn the car into a third space, integrate nails very well into it, so that your work and life are integrated, and a lot more, no more.
Suthan (General Manager of Baidu Telematics Division): Hello everyone, I am Suthan, head of Baidu Telematics Division. Just now also heard a lot of guests share their views, in my opinion, the topic of Telematics should be placed under the general topic of the entire automotive intelligence. In fact, Tesla can bring the industry's biggest wave, in a sense, it is actually a huge gamble, this huge gamble is actually betting on the future, the user of the car itself more care or more care about intelligent?
In our view, the next generation of Telematics is coming, and a lot of changes will take place, from products that meet user needs to truly intelligent cockpits, and its development model will change a lot compared to before. In a sense, Telematics is going to really shake hands with autonomous driving. This year, we will release the next generation of digital platform for Telematics development, which is currently being rapidly applied across the industry.
I hope that some of the ecological, underlying, autonomous driving capabilities that it brings, the underlying capabilities will enable the entire industry to rapidly improve development efficiency. The improvement of efficiency means that we can quickly make the products that users want, and ultimately the consumer can buy the intelligent products he wants, and the whole industry can move forward together, which is what I hope to do.
Zhou Lingkun: Just now you should be Yilun total you complete the introduction of your understanding of the future, now is not to reveal the recent release of the black science and technology of Pok Tai or new products? Whether it can give everyone a bright feeling.
Ying Yilun (Founder and Chairman of Bottek Telematics): We are now doing less at the application level, and the core has to solve a few things:
First, the quality of the software for large-scale deliveries, the rapid iteration and stable quality which is always a contradiction;
The second thing to be solved is the building of R&D capacity of automobile enterprises. Because car companies have now put the intelligent network as the core strategy, we as a third-party company, is solving this problem;
The third, the next step of the Internet of cars, there are now three blocks, one is automatic driving, one is the whole vehicle architecture, and there is the entertainment piece, entertainment piece of this is more clear. If most of them can develop the electronic architecture, there is no need for the current suppliers, the current suppliers can say goodbye. I am now discussing with FAW such cooperation opportunities, basically these.
Application innovation we do, but we don't focus on that.
Zhou Lingkun: should always pay attention to both the future business model innovation, while taking into account the evolution of the current traditional industry, thank you. Mr. Shen you please.
Shen Ziyu (CEO of Yigatong Technology): Thank you, Mr. Zhou for giving us an opportunity to promote ourselves. Hello, my name is Shen Ziyu. Today talked about what black technology we will have this year will be released to the public or what new products, today just take this opportunity to say a few words. This year because of the epidemic we put off the release of the product, almost to the fourth quarter will promote a product that took a long time to develop before.
We all know that in-vehicle voice and intelligent interaction is very important, but as long as the voice are dependent on the UI. we will put the full-stack voice and signal processing, including noise, all good, in the absence of cloud computing can also provide local natural semantics, so that the user's experience to be guaranteed.
We will also integrate these current mainstream semantics including Sultan's Xiaodu to give users a better driving experience. I think this chip is very small, but solves more problems and gives users a great user experience improvement, so we are very excited.
Zhou Lingkun: When will the first chip be available?
Shen Ziyu: early or mid next year.
Zhou Lingkun: Shen Pei, you are from Tencent, you can introduce yourself.
Shen Pei (General Manager of Tencent Intelligent Mobility Strategy): Thank you, Mr. Zhou for giving us the opportunity to introduce ourselves. I'm Shen Pei from Tencent Intelligent Mobility, I lived in Germany for 18 years, and I've dealt more with traditional car companies before, and I just joined Tencent Intelligent Mobility this year.
When it comes to black technology, Tencent is a relatively new player in the automotive industry compared to Baidu and Ali. The TAI?3.0 we released in June is a user-centered Telematics product, meaning that it moves our WeChat and WeChat applet to the car.
We all know that the small program in the mobile terminal call is not used to go to the small application, so how to be able to put just said thousands of people in the car to realize, we believe that not in the car there are a lot of models of loaded programs and many services, but really to the scene, we need a small program will come out, we call it a small scene in the car.
Technology piece, some people may think that Tencent is a game company, we also put Tencent game capabilities into the car or car development. We put the Tencent game simulation engine into the development and simulation of autonomous driving, operation. Waymo is through this to complete the virtual iteration, we are helping the host factory to do such a thing.
Lastly, we're going to be releasing AR navigation, which we've already mentioned today, to enhance the reality of navigation so that users can naturally interact better with the real world out there while they're driving.
How can OEMs realize data realization
Zhou Lingkun: Thank you, Mr. Shen Pei. As you know, our theme today is "to meet the next era of Telematics", but now the topic of Telematics, if we talk about it alone, it seems to be particularly thin, and intelligent can not be separated, we can not get around the topic of intelligence.
The next questions are more targeted. The first question is to Mr. Shen Pei, you mentioned that Tencent is very good at making games, and there are many games that are free to play first, and then spend money to buy equipment and buy the sense of experience that you like, and the players are willing to pay for their own experience, so we have a very good experience in the so-called user operation.
We car networking users, from the OEM point of view, how can we use these data in the future? OEMs always have a dream that someday after these data are available or whether they do it with partners or I get this data how to do data realization? This experience sharing, Internet companies are more abundant.
What advice do you have for OEMs from an Internet company, how can OEMs realize data realization, and what does Telematics mean to OEMs, and what is its value to them? In addition to satisfying consumers and playing a role in selling cars, what is the commercial value, and what is the diggable space?
Shen Pei: I think this is a very good question, this is in fact everyone standing in the industry, especially everyone mentioned the lack of money in the state, especially concerned about a problem, there are OEMs to come to us and say, we on the car networking means to us? Is it how much money we spend on development, put these cool products into the inside, and finally we and other car companies and each other than who's function is more complete, the last is just equipment competition only? Or how do those users find value in it? How do we create value for the user?
In the Internet we are more familiar with, this is a relatively long process, it is the first step is actually to allow users to develop the habit of using, that is to say, if I car end of the car networking has not done that the user into the car can be put the phone to the side, really go to use our car networking system, then, this kind of realization is basically not possible.
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If my car-end Telematics hasn't done the job of saying that users can put their cell phones aside when they get into their cars and really use our Telematics system, this kind of realization is basically impossible.
--Shen Pei, general manager of Tencent's Smart Mobility Strategy
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Even if I start using it, if I don't feel that this Telematics system can bring me additional output or additional value, and everything else I do is still done on my cell phone, then I'm not willing to pay for it. I'm not willing to pay for it.
For example, like the Lovejoy on TV it's a member of the need to pay extra, other members of the phone or tablet PC can be interoperable, that is, because the effect of film and television on the TV is better, so that in this piece of my idea is that we are from the OEMs, from the car companies to the suppliers, including the Internet company we have to explore together is how the car during the driving process or in the car, or how to make the car more comfortable. How about in the car driving process or as a passenger sitting in the car really can get the value of what?
Based on location, sitting in the car I want to enjoy the service, which can not be satisfied by the phone. A cell phone is just a screen for me, while a car is a space for me where I can imagine a lot of things. In this regard, we can explore with car companies.
The second piece, as a car company to think of a thing, after all, may not have such a gene. In this regard, car companies carry a large ecological, and Internet companies, everyone here, including Bottek has just shown a large ecological, so that the two ecological collision so that we go together to open the brain to think, in the case of the car machine to do enough smart, to bring this kind of service and enterprise to the user, this is the next road to go forward.
Future in the car, there is a computer?
Zhou Lingkun: asked Shen Ziyu, today, including the morning and afternoon forums, everyone mentioned Tesla, Tesla as a pure electric car, it is more cattle place or that we are more recognized is the innovation of its electronic and electrical architecture, in this regard, made a very bold attempt, and even said that it has gradually become the direction of the industry to follow.
We can't get away from the architecture of the vehicle, which Mr. Ying also mentioned. You have a close relationship with Geely, and you've had more opportunities to participate in vehicle R&D. If you're looking to the future, to the next generation of Telematics, and if you're looking at the design of the electronic architecture, not necessarily referring to Geely, but if you're looking at the transformation of traditional vehicles, how can the architecture be designed in a more realistic way?
I'm sure you have some thoughts on this. It would be very good for vehicle applications and design if it became a completely centralized CCM (Central Computing Module) architecture, but we are constrained by the OEMs today. If your current thinking is good for this route or not, what is your point of view? How to transform? Architecture would be a little more realistic?
Shen Ziyu: Tesla this year, although in the case of the epidemic is also very good, it is not only in the computer software advantage is obvious, at the same time it is also in the mechanical architecture above the advantage is obvious, it is more powerful in this regard. Just talked about the electronic and electrical architecture, I think this is the inevitable development of history, and Tesla in the history of the inevitable above to find a relatively large breakthrough, because the historical inevitability of the traditional automobile companies in the software and the entire controller this piece of functionality of the iteration is with the industry chain to do together.
Traditional architectures, there's electronics and electrical, there's Telematics. You will find a department around a controller (ECU, electronic control unit), because you have to have work in this department, have to have work, your product is the controller, then you will find more and more controllers. So you can have a comparison, probably Tesla controller in 30, 40, but its computer is about two, like some luxury car brands, the controller is generally more than 100 or so.
At the same time when it comes to OTA, everyone is talking about OTA. OTA is easy to realize, but the problem is that the object of OTA, as well as the collaboration of the software, and the whole process of bringing it to the market, is a core competency. Because of the many suppliers and functions of the system, the project team may not exist, it is not obliged to help you do more work, and at that time you want to iterate when you have to invite back, such as air conditioning this function, but also to re-design.
The cost of doing OTA again at this time may be huge, even though you have OTA access. This is why we started from the beginning of the establishment of the early days, from the level of the chip to consider this issue, because the chip is the factor, the chip to do in order to control the software. So the architecture of the future central processing, we start mass production in 2023.
The future is a centralized architecture, which is an inevitable trend, and at the same time, the whole software update will be relatively fast, and at the same time, it can also make the whole cost significantly lower, and the whole reliability increases, I think this is the result of Tesla's education to the whole market.
But from the industry chain point of view, in fact, the smartphone is a very good object, because we first came from the PC, in fact, the PC was also very big, inside the Northbridge chip, the Southbridge chip a whole lot, and then slowly began to call the SoC, in fact, the industry chain is more mature, just the traditional industrial chain of automotive impact is relatively large.
Because in the past it was selling a component, a function, and in the future it's branding, and that's what we're doing now. Then I hope that in the future in the car, there is a computer, and this computer is made of different architectures, can let a lot of partners to develop functions on it, including Xiaodu, Gao De, all the sons of a hundred competing, but the whole platform we continue to provide, is the case.
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In the future, in the car, there is also a computer, and this computer can allow many partners to develop functions on it, which is all a hundred schools of thought, but the whole platform we continue to provide.
--Yiqatong Technology CEO Shen Ziyu
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So this is a big thought for us, while we try to catch up, hopefully we can catch up in the not so short future, that's how it is?
Extreme experience, autonomous control, lowest priceZhou Lingkun: very much looking forward to 2023, your new architecture products, can be tested by the market, this is very much looking forward to, indeed, this is an industry-wide topic, I think there will be more in-depth exchanges in the future.
Next I would like to ask Mr. Ying, just mentioned inside the speech about the arithmetic transfer, but there is also another point of view, from the user experience point of view, what kind of experience is the most extreme experience of the user, or more attractive? Do you think this path has a future? Or does it represent a path for the future, or is this an immediate meticulous approach to seeing an innovation like this.
Ying Yilun: I think the industry has a lot of questions about Perten doing Telematics, and it's normal to question it because it hurts their interests, and when we do it, they die, that's how it works.
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I think the industry has a lot of questions about Pertex doing Telematics, and it's normal to question it because it hurts their interests, and we do it, and they die, and that's the way it is.
--Bottek Telematics founder and chairman Ying Yilun
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We're mass delivery, we're the ultimate experience, autonomous control, and the lowest price. So I think if people ask if Bottek is some kind of transitional program or what kind of program, I think it would be better to let their procurement department answer that.
I think the future of autonomous brands on the low-end of the price, of course, Ziyu is to go high-end, we are more realistic. I think the largest volume is always the best, we are doing so many customers, you do again high-end, you supply 10,000 units per car factory, or no status, I supply 4 million units a year, I think this is the value.
The future market is hardware plus software plus screen plus monitoring, the cost is controlled at 600 RMB, can you do it? If you use all the current program, in fact, it is very difficult. So we think for independent brands, the vast majority of them still go low-end. Like Red Flag is what we do, including Dongfeng's Lantu, including BAIC new energy, I think this piece of the puzzle is all black technology, multi-person dialog, etc., this is the company's technical reserves.
We are very grateful to these leading car manufacturers, let us keep going, but frankly speaking, we are currently the income is relatively large, the competitors feel very sour, feel that Bottek is not going the wrong way, how, in fact, they dream of doing, but they have no ability to do it, two have no one.
For us, see very clearly, high-end go high-end, low-end try to go down the volume. Many people say that the future center of computing is the car, ask what is the most understanding of you today, if someone says it is not a smartphone, I think this person is not to look at the disease, because the data are on the phone.
Our next generation of black technology, that is, children can directly say, I eat steak place last week, navigation on the way to go, because MP's chip automatic recognition, that picture comes with the location, do not need to enter the location at all, then you do it to me, you do not have this chip, so I think it is a bit funny.
I recognize that one may be better than the other, because there are a lot of things that can't be done with hardware, and a lot of the benefits are cut out, and that's one thing. It's the same logic as Ziyu's talk about controllers.?
The current Telematics encountered a lot of problems
Zhou Lingkun: I think they are all very real words, thank you for sharing. Mr. Su, when you introduced yourself, you talked about a technology reserve, there should be a lot of companies and partners, to go to cooperation, to empower each other. Then, as a relatively large Internet company, how do you see the cooperation between Internet companies and car companies?
Or in terms of this cooperation model, our past exploration of Baidu, including your hope, what kind of cooperation model, in the Internet of Vehicles such as application scenarios, in the business structure is relatively ideal? Both can take care of the market end, the interests and needs of consumers, and can take care of the OEM's commercial revenue, of course, but also to take care of their own commercial interests.
This path, I don't know if we already have it, or we are exploring it, or in your mind, what is the better path?
Sultan: I think this is a very good question, including the sharing of you just now is particularly interesting, in fact, we are in *** with the face of a dilemma, we are looking for a breakthrough from different paths. I actually do not want to talk about the car network itself, including intelligent car link, because the car network is placed in a car intelligent background, an inseparable part of the single talk about the car network is a ceiling, its limitations are very large.
We'll talk about this car networking with limitations. If we put the phone on IoT, you look at the volume in China, and we look at what the quarterly shipments are in China, it still meets. But then we look at how many cars are shipped in a year in China as a whole, and we suddenly realize that it seems like it's a long way from 100 million, and then we have to count some other things. So there are huge bottlenecks to really making cars generate as much value as cell phones.
The first one is that a lot of people are talking about the rate of connectedness, will this bottleneck get boosted in the future, even if it can't right now, there is still a hidden problem, which is called fragmentation, a **** on 20 million, and then fragmentation, and you'll find that fragmentation creates a lot more problems.
Why Tesla does it on its own, but many of our very good and very good such OEMs may not be able to do it, in fact, the problem they encountered is the problem of fragmentation. On this issue, it is actually the question of how the two sides can work together, including we actually have a very painful experience, in fact, happy troubles.
It's that we both have the opportunity to serve very many OEMs, very many car companies, more problems, which will you realize that actually the problems of the industry have become problems that we need to solve ourselves. How do we find ways in this future, in the age of fragmentation, to get these problems solved so that the business model can explode.
So from this point of view, we would argue that the first model of cooperation between us and OEM, we are **** the same empowerment, together to figure out how to solve the way. Now I think that this ultimate solution, which is not out yet, why do we mention this concept? In fact, honestly, we would think that the current car networking encountered very many problems.?
What is the first point, I have a very happy thing to share with you, I will be through our generation of automotive intelligence efforts, in a sense, the car networking has gone from a whether to become a real topic, into a has been real, but the value is not much of a problem. This is actually a very good status quo, is finally the industry itself is not a pseudo-proposition, this problem solved.
There is some good data to see, some of the OEMs we work with, the data is very positive, the first one is assembled with this kind of high-grade Telematics products accounted for a substantial increase in the percentage, and even some car manufacturers because of the previous judgment on this aspect of the bias, which led to some problems.
There are some orders over 50%, because Telematics is not just about providing software, there must be some hardware stuff. In the future era, experiencing this new technology, the OEMs can experience the new technology will generate new demands, because they already have some basic demands on the car. So this is a good phenomenon.
I saw an article that said that at present, in fact, the application of the Internet of Vehicles in the car, including AI data has reached a bottleneck, and I think that this problem, in a sense, is not a bottleneck, but what is currently being done is no longer enough. Every time you do an innovation, every time you move forward an OTA, suddenly found that a lot of user demand is released, not that there is no such demand, but that the previous demand is educated by us, this is actually the status of the industry, we are in the car networking industry as a whole, the level of AI applications, not excess, in a sense, is far from enough.
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Before the demand was educated by us, this is actually the current state of the industry, we are in the networking of vehicles throughout the industry, the level of AI application, not excess, in a sense, is far from enough.
--Baidu Telematics Division General Manager Sultan
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Jobs invented the smartphone before Nokia did not do badly, why Jobs brought touch and the whole screen to the industry, through a change in the interaction model, through an overall change, user demand is released, in a sense, in the car network will also happen.
Another thing, now the ecological empowerment is far from enough. I said that car networking is divided into three generations, the first generation is basically an oil car, but in fact, the user is not very important; the second generation is in our past generation, this generation of car networking in a sense called basic car networking, because of the high frequency of use of these products, some of them can be sent on the top of the day to 30 or even more interactions, because according to the Baidu map big data, a day on the road to use this service, if you can put in 30 times or even more times, in fact, in a sense, we initially did let the user put down the phone, but only the body put down, the heart did not put down, you did not meet his expectations, just in the process, you basically meet his immediate needs after his body put down the phone, but the heart did not put down.
So what is the next generation of Telematics, it must be a highly ecological as well as highly streaming ecology, we in addition to meet the head of the music and maps, we must make to meet the user from the heart to really put down the phone's needs, which is the next generation of Telematics to get the release of the reason.
Then just this is not enough, because in a sense, the ecology and the satisfaction of the user's needs, can not get a good match. Speaking of one of our own experience, Baidu many years ago to do a small program, then you will find that there is a break, but in fact you do not have a good reach it to the user, you will find that the ecology in a sense will shrink. But then after this small program is fully integrated, you will find that the demand is fully integrated.
So the combination of AI and ecology, in a sense, and at the same time we did some hardware exploration ourselves, in terms of architecture, to be able to unify the application platform, these things, in a sense, the future of platforms like ours, **** the same to solve the problem is what?
In fact, just said so much, it has been very clear, in a sense, we are in the face of a **** the same subject under the industry-specific solutions. These solutions drive the industry, can bring the whole industry efficiency improvement when, then we believe that the OEM as well as the third party to be able to get at the same time to meet, some kind of aspect, it is possible to get a breakthrough, it will not be like what I said before, in fact, I look at this concept so.?
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