Charmey big flash (close) →↘↓↙←→↘↓↙←+A or C, Charmey carnival: (close) ←↙↓↘→←↙↓↘→+A or C (and 98 settings have a difference, 97 settings directly out of the move, so you can form a combo)

: are two semicircles, so as long as the close to the press hard, forward and reverse are super, anyway, always have to have a successful one. The speed and range of the grab is the same as the spiral hit.